- C: Good Sexitidi everyone, and welcome to part five (5) of Goth Angel
Sinners, a podcast for jocks and goths about glocks and moths. I’m Chloe…
- U: …and I’m Una…
- C: Our small, British son will not be joining us today because he’s too
- Some axioms for our discussion here:
- All people deserve to survive.
- Society exists for the mutual benefit of its members.
- We live in a society.
- Socially usable resources are the product of human action, though
resources by themselves exist in nature.
Further Statements on “Society”
- Society (which we live in) should ensure that all people can survive.
- Humans, as members of society, can contribute the resources that they
produce, allowing “society” the usage of them as a means to achieve the
previous point. This is called the “commons,” the collective resources of
- The exact form of “society”’s will in this case would have to be enacted in
some form: government, market, free distribution.
- The former two possibilities while not necessarily inefficient are open to a
significant amount of errors in their efficient operation: underestimate of
need, overestimate of production, deliberate corruption, etc.
- Assuming that “what can go wrong will go wrong,” i.e. the existence of a
potential fault will at some point become an actual fault, then such a
system will inevitably be riddled with inefficiencies and corruption.
- The former feeding into the latter as the impossibility of a purely
efficient system will be used as an excuse to further the systemic
enforcement of inefficiencies (such as the alteration of the metric of
efficiency to begin with as seen with measures such as GDP and “poverty”
which gerrymander the population to cover up various problems that would
elsewhere be more negatively perceived).
- As such we can explore the third means: free distribution, that is the open
availability of all resources to be called upon by the consumers without any
bar to entry.
- The negative consequences of which being the overconsumption of
resources, essentially the overestimation of available resources without
the action of a central authority but still the collective action of
- Chuds believe that this is inevitable and screech “the tragedy of the
commons” every time this is proposed, however this is wrong and common
pool resources can frequently result in a “comedy of the commons” and
there’s also the fact that people can in fact talk to each other and
figure out how to do things.
- A post-scarcity society and anarchism necessitate each other because state
systems are built around restriction and exclusion of access to necessary
resources (water, food, land, shelter, etc. etc. etc.).
- One cannot have a general post-scarcity while a state exists because
states require the exclusion of the majority of people from some
necessity, and one cannot have a state while general post-scarcity
exists due to the lack of exclusion/restriction, by definition.
Is Post-Scarcity Technically Feasible?
- First, a clarification: abundance vs. post-scarcity.
- Having a bunch of shit doesn’t necessarily mean having post-scarcity and
having post-scarcity doesn’t necessarily having unlimited everything.
- Post-scarcity is less about “having lots of stuff” and more about a
social state of having access to all the resources necessary for the
fulfillment of life.
- If post-scarcity were dependent on abundance, then it would imply that
post-scarcity and therefore anarchism could only occur at a certain
level of production, however since people have volition and could in
fact decide to stop doing hierarchy and do anarchy instead, this is
clearly wrong (i.e. we could have done anarchism at any point in
history, we aren’t dependent on certain material conditions; fuck you,
- If, however, production is at or beyond the estimates of the consumers,
which given modern production modes is a fair assumption, then this problem
can be viewed as trivial.
- Food Production
- Somewhere between ⅓ and ½ of food produced globally is lost or
- This is entirely the fault of statism you cannot change my mind.
- See Goth Angel Sinners Pt. I for our opinion on our current
method of getting products to consumers and how efficient it is.
- Cars are bad. Food production is useless without access and a car
based infrastructure increases the bar for said access to those with
access to the economic means by which to use the infrastructure.
- Much of cereal production is used for biofuels, which assume the
usage of personal transport (i.e. cars) which rely on such fuels.
Removing this sector of the production would decrease the necessary
yield giving more room for seeking ecological means of production.
- Thus, we return to the issue of distribution, free distribution as opposed
to our contemporary manner which restricts access thru economic and
- Economics is meant as a field to manage the distribution of resources
under the assumption that resources are either more scarce or precisely
as scarce as demand; as this is based on prediction and estimate leaning
towards underestimation, scarcity is “enforced” thru the deliberate lack
of distribution to specific communities either due to their not meeting
the expected conditions (production of wealth) or thru deliberate
[sanctioning?], i.e. racism (see: food deserts).
Is Post-Scarcity Socially Possible?
- Uh… remember that like 195,000 years where we didn’t have states and
people had free access to resources and somehow managed to survive? Yeah,
let’s do that again but this time with trains.
- Modern “Society”
- Free sharing of culture benefits creators and consumers, the only people
who lose out are middlemen who otherwise contribute nothing except
- A combination of government regulation and subsidies creates large
unnecessary overhead costs, centralizing control of resources and
increasing costs to consumers, further restricting access to them.
- State subsidies to things like large agribusiness promote centralization
of control in the food system, towards things like monoculture,
excessive use of pesticides, topsoil depletion, and resulting in food
lacking in nutrition.
- Smaller farms would be more ecological, more productive, healthier, and
be more inclined towards equitable distribution, but uh the state and
capitalism exist instead.
- Patent system causes medical R&D to focus in simply tweaking old drugs
just enough to be considered “new” so a new patent can be gotten for
- Haha, take that, people who believe capitalism creates “innovation”
- “It’s an overall process in which the state socializes operating costs
and subsidizes inputs to make capital artificially profitable, and
disaster capitalists seize on the resulting fiscal disaster to loot
taxpayer-funded assets and subsequently gouge the public.” —Kevin
- What if we just stopped spending resources on things that keep people
from accessing resources?
- As has been repeatedly emphasized, capitalism relies on restriction of
access, this is most obviously done through the price system, but other
forms of sabotage exist as well to restrict the flow of resources that
ranges from planned obsolescence to the outright destruction of
resources and infrastructure through war.
Current Production Techniques/Consumption Habits are Killing the Planet and We Need To Do Things Better
- Restoration Agriculture/Permaculture.
- Green Energy:
- We can and should use things like wind, water, heat, and gravity
directly as energy when possible; natural forces generally have less
waste heat. Require less infrastructure, and outside of what little
infrastructure may be necessary usually require next to no external
resources that would be used to justify extractivist practices.
- Nuclear energy, see Neighbor Science 417.
- Socially, decentralized energy production would be best practice as it
would not leave power (necessary for life in many areas and to quality
of life in most) as a hierarchical resource that can be used for social
- Furthermore, demand estimates can be tailored to individual need,
tho small regional (i.e. neighborhood) distribution networks can be
utilized to ensure any excess produced is not lost unnecessarily.
- Centralized power stations may possibly still be used depending on
the social landscape, especially when the management requires
specialist handling (see nuclear) or the source of the power is a
singular or remote geographic location (see geothermal or wind). In
this case decentralized power production can be used to add
redundancy to help avoid brownouts or rolling blackouts in areas
where demand may peak (such as cities with intense heat waves).
- Decentralization and Centralization
- Bookchin was wrong sprawl is bad.
- Transit (Death to Cars)
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